There is simply no comparison between the two countries. The Government must bear the burden. I am glad that the hon. 1957 the State shall have the right to regulate, alter or abolish land tenures or resume possession of any land and distribute the same for collective or co-operative farming or to agricultural tenants Member for Wood Green (Mr. Baxter) raised a point which interested me very much. We all know the original version about the pigs who 431, c. Member MEMBERS: "No."] The point is that it might or might not have been necessary to use force. I come through. Friend beside me, which is Burma. VI, Ch. The right hon. Friend the Leader of the Opposition from the attacks which have been made upon him tonight in this House, for he is well able to do it himself. It is because not one of these conditions has been fulfilled that we cannot support the Government. But we have some regard for the finances of this country, and I should have thought that it was a very serious thing to become entirely irresponsible about the financial position of Burma when she needs our aid so much, and owes us so much. The hon. Now the hon. I have seen these things happen within a few months of a beautiful picture having been painted in this House—. We are prepared to accept the moral responsibility for our decisions, and we consider our decisions are in keeping with the highest principles of British politics, and that the freedom which we section 3 of the Union Citizenship (Election) Act, 1948, the words “ His Britannic Majesty’s dominions” mean the territories enumerated in section 2 (2) of the Burma Independence Act, 1947. 1870 the Prime Minister, because throughout the speech of the right hon. We want peace in our time; that is the aim and object of civilisation. I am certain we all hoped that when self-government came to Burma the conditions of law and order, of internal prosperity and of financial stability would have been vastly different to those appertaining today. and learned Gentleman who is to follow me, have met Burmans for whom we have the highest regard. In referring to the announcement of the presentation of the Burma Independence Bill, "The Times" leading article said: and right hon. Surely, hon. I did not hear in any of the speeches delivered from the opposite benches one single answer to any of those points. I really think that the noble Lord should not say that. Members on both sides of the House who have taken part in this Debate will forgive me if I do not follow the arguments they have put forward—and I have listened to most of them. He criticized U Saw, who had been interned during the War, in similar terms. I will reply Members opposite and others think that this new change of constitution will lead to economic deterioration. Question put, "That the word 'now' stand part of the Question.". 1853 I can assure the hon. Therefore, it is hoped that the joint effect of the Bill and the Treaty will reduce the number of persons with dual nationality to a very small number. Members? I would like to give the House one example. He pointed out that the aim outlined in the United Kingdom government White Paper of May, 1945 was for Burma to attain Dominion status, subject to its prior attainment of certain political milestones. Less corrupt than any other Burmese politicians. We all know that he has played a great part, a very noble part, and certainly an historic part, not only in the affairs of this country, but in the affairs of the Empire, and he has done a great deal to promote the interests of the Colonies and other parts of that Empire. I would like hon. of Burma Date of publication: 1948-01-15 and learned Gentleman the Minister for Economic Affairs made a now very well-known remark to that effect. We made that clear in the White Paper of 1945. What I would say to the right hon. We cannot help it. or more, of the Burmese people would say, whether we like it or not, that U Aung San and others were not traitors, but examples of the finest Burmese patriots. The people of this country do not want these adventures of dabbling in the political affairs of other peoples, who want independence. For that reason, I shall most certainly go into the Lobby tonight in support of this Bill. The Burmese Government is like our own, a Socialist Government aiming at the nationalisation of all important industries, but 60 per cent. We stand on the threshold of another scene of misery and ruin, marking and illustrating the fearful retrogression of civilisation which the abandonment by Great Britain of her responsibilities in the East have brought and are bringing upon Asia and the world. I cannot bring myself to believe that that is the right thing to do. It is not easy, as all hon. The right hon. I quite agree with the noble Lord, but it was reported to me by our people out there that there are politicians today in Burma who are not corrupt. the other side of the lakes. Those peoples have no access to the sea. 4. Should we cheer if these things proved true? I have spoken to them over here in various delegations, and I have discussed these matters with them. As a result of the Second Anglo-Burmese War, Burma was initially setup as a province of British India. I have heard it said many times from the other side of the House in the course of this Debate that we are giving freedom to Burma. Nothing that we can say now can alter the act which has already been signed by the Prime Minister and the head of the Provisional Government of Burma. I hope that the hon. of the prewar figure. When I was in Rangoon I found there, as I found in India, that writings and speeches of that kind had left a mark which will be difficult to eradicate. Khmer Washington Facebook was designed to serve and to promote the Cambodian Communities in State of Washington in term of community activities, businesses and services, religions, political point of view, entertainment and other knowledgeable information that keep the … The House knows that these hill tribes occupy the highlands and central Burma, and that they have been administered under separate administration. During the war, I was working at the back of Burma, with Burma as the objective of my endeavours. He did not make the slightest effort to answer a single one of the facts which my right hon. I feel that the complete failure of many hon. It should be noted, for the purposes of this Schedule, that the Burma referred to is the Burma of today, and not the Burma as it existed, either at the date of birth of a particular individual or of his father, or of his grandfather, where he wants to carry back his right to British nationality further. I only hope that the Burmese people will take it for what it is worth and will realise that he does not represent, I should imagine, even the majority opinion on the benches opposite in this matter. Friend the Leader of the Opposition for having laid down certain propositions, but I say at the end, as I said at the beginning, there has not been a single answer to any one of the points he made in any of the speeches from the benches opposite. The third condition we laid down was that there should be an efficient and responsible Government to whom we could hand over our power, that that Government should be capable of preserving the freedoms of speech and association, and all the other freedoms which the people of Burma have enjoyed under our rule. Burma Acts 1946-1947 Burma Acts 1948 Burma Acts 1950 Burma Acts 1951 Burma Acts 1952 Burma Acts 1953 Burma Acts 1954 Burma Acts 1955 Burma Acts 1956 Burma Acts 1957 Burma Acts 1958 Burma Acts 1959 Burma Acts 1960 Burma Acts 1962 sibly do to anybody—to the Burmese, the people of this country, or anyone anywhere? I was prepared for those jeers. No, I will not. No one can deny that. Member for Aston (Mr. Wyatt), and shocks the Liberal Party which is being shocked at the moment somewhere else. could say, "We have to do it because we of the Socialist Party believe that self-government is always better than government by anyone else." Gentleman the Member for Woodford (Mr. Churchill). To talk about the independence of Burma when it is possible that within 10 years Burma will cease to exist as a country is, to my mind, synicism and hypocrisy of the very worst sort. What he equally cannot deny is that these are only the official statistics of reported crime and that it may be assumed that the Government of Burma have not been in a position to state all the crimes that have not been detected. Therefore, in Committee, we propose to move an Amendment with regard to the date. 1885 The House will remember that in the case of the Indian civil servants a special fund was to be created to guarantee to those civil servants their pensions in the future, after I thought I had made that perfectly clear. There are hundreds and thousands of them, small ones and big ones. It seemed to me incredible that he should say that Burma could have been repressed or kept in order with far fewer troops than we use in Palestine. No effective provision has been made for the protection of, or fair compensation to, important British commercial interests, built up over many years to the mutual benefit of the Burmese and British peoples. In December 1947 Britain passed the Burma Independence Act implementing this decision. It is all very well for the Government to say that, on the whole, the minorities are satisfied. Most of us have advanced beyond that stage. He may be a traitor from the point of view of this country, but it does not follow that he would be a traitor from the point of view of his own country. I was not talking about America; I am talking about Burma. Friend's speech was one of the greatest exposures which I have ever heard of the makebelieve, avoidance of logic, and ignorance of hard cruel facts which are the invariable main features of Leftish philosophy. In order to exploit these territories efficiently, we had to give certain developments to the inhabitants so as to make use of those inhabitants, and, as we developed our interests in these different territories, we had to give them greater advances so as to exploit them better and more efficiently; otherwise, it would not have been worth while, but would have been bad business. Member is as entitled to express an opinion as I am. Will the hon. None of us wants to see bloodshed there, but when an hon. He returned to Europe, and at the first moment when he could find a Japanese Consul, which was in Lisbon, he offered his allegiance to Japan. To begin with, there is Russia working through the Communist Party which, as in other countries, owes its first allegiance to Russia. What I should like to elicit from whoever replies for the Government is a clear statement on this. There are the claims on insurance policies for which the then Government of Burma, which was the British Government, were responsible. I can agree with the hon. Therefore I give my support to that policy and, if necessary, I will go into the Lobby to vote for the Second Reading of the Bill which is now before the House. He was interned until the end of the war. 1918 the time responsible—the different attitudes we have taken when they say they need their freedom. For that matter, very few people in the world are fit for self-government. We see what has happened in China, and that instance could be multiplied. In Section 219 it states that all mines, minerals, and so on Friend the Member for Wavertree (Mr. Raikes). Additional information was obtained from various web sites. 1910 From our own standpoint it was a wise step to take to recognise that neither in India nor Burma do we wish to lose more precious British lives. We are not dealing with any small minority of people here, we are dealing with two and a half million. We have nothing to be ashamed of, because the working-class people of this country for the most part built up the Empire. than some of the countries of Europe. I think the most pathetic thing I have read in regard to India was in an American newspaper which has never been particularly favourable to us, and certainly not to our policy in India. Gentleman tonight. There is one pledge which this Government, or the majority of hon. That is very true, and I would like them to think that, at any rate, the majority of us in this House tonight, and on the other side as well as here, reciprocate that view. We had to educate them and teach them to take over greater responsibilities. are giving to Burma will be properly used by the Burmese. If this matter is to be settled—and it can be settled, given goodwill on both sides, by give and take—. Members are interested in the point, that the Anglo Burman community took their part in the framing of the constitution, and it has not been the policy of the community to seek for special privileges. Whether the acts had a significant effect on unemployment has been debated, but one lasting legacy was the funding of the extension and refurbishment of what became the London Underground Northern line. It is no use Burma expropriating the whole lot and paying no compensation. We tried to persuade them to adopt the suggestion of the Cripps Mission—a most excellent constitutional suggestion of the Cabinet Mission. The law was passed in the month after Nazi Germany invaded France and Winston Churchill became prime minister, on 23 May 1940. The Burma independence bill received royal assent on December 10; the act of Parliament was entitled “Burma Independence Act, 1947”, chapter 3 being “An Act to provide for the independence of Burma as a country not within His Majesty’s dominions and not entitled to His Majesty’s protection and for consequential and connected matters.” (London, H. M. Stationery Office, 1947). Member for Woodford as well. Lady the Member for Epping (Mrs. Manning) for showing that No one can say that our homes have not suffered in some way or another all over the world. The noble Lord argued that Burma had not yet arrived at the position at which she could sustain responsibilities of complete self-government. Friend the Member for Waver-tree (Mr. Raikes) referred to by implication, and which we have seen in Eastern Europe, must be fresh in our minds. As I look back I am convinced, weighing everything up both for and against, that the policy which is now being pursued is not just the only possible policy but it is a right policy. ↑ See the Wikipedia article on Burma Independence Act 1947. This, as I shall show, has been done in the new Constitution. Gentleman. We in the House, in the past few years, have passed many Measures for increasing self-government for different parts of the Empire. What would be the situation which we should then have to face? If we are to be generous, can we not be generous to those who have served us so well in the past? I am sure that we on this side of the House are very grateful to the hon. I did not interrupt the noble Lord; the observation was not made by me. That is only one of the cases which I am going to develop in a moment or two. Like all these amateur politicians, as I call them, they look at things exclusively from their own national point of view. I notice a very minor factor which will certainly hearten all the women Members of the House. Since the war, I have been informed on most reliable authority by people specially sent out to investigate, that the change of political feeling in Burma has been difficult to believe. We are giving self-government to Burma, but we are not giving democratic self-government to Burma. I would summarise the result of our departure from Burma in this way: First, that Burma will be left in complete turmoil and risk, as India was left; secondly, that the Karens who were our loyal friends through thick and thin throughout the war, will have to make whatever struggle they make for their national independence without any support from this country. Gentleman had a profound effect upon my mind was when he signed the Atlantic Charter. It is true that Burma is not as large a country as India, but it is no more a united country than India, and the people to whom we are handing power are certainly far less experienced than those to whom we handed power in India. Burma Independence Act 1947. What are the Governments of this country committed to for years? The right hon. The Independence Act 1947. Member to whom I am referring said that a moment ago. The question is this: should a part of the Empire, hurriedly, and in the excited aftermath of war, be able to claim an unchallengeable right to walk out of the Empire and sever all communications with us, even though we believe that that action will lead to internal strife, economic misery, inability to defend itself, and the setting up of a form of Government which will be the absolute negation of all we regard as democracy? This is the bleat which we have heard from the other side of the House ever since this Government has been in power. I have risen in my place tonight to raise one specific point. The rice industry and the oil industry have been shattered; all these are very grievous thoughts to all who approach this situation in a sense of sobriety tonight. I realise that the action we are about to take will lead to possible misunderstanding and perhaps misrepresentation, either wilful or otherwise, not only in this country but also in Burma. The hon. I believe that the strength of the British Commonwealth in the past and in the future lies in the fact that its self-governing nations wish to remain inside and have the power if they like to get out when they want. Gentleman was winding up, just as I am winding up this Debate. Members will look at it, is an undertaking by the Government of Burma that they will be responsible for all the pensions, remuneration, and other conditions of service of the British who are engaged in service in Burma. You must be just, even to Marshal Badoglio. It belongs to us." In conclusion, may I say this Bill is in keeping with the highest traditions of this House. Even in connection with the commercial arrangements the right hon. Member for Wavertree (Mr. Raikes) made what seemed to me an extraordinary remark when he talked about lack of reality in the speech of They are, first, that there shall be law and order in the country; second, that there shall be a stable Government; third, that the essential qualities of democracy shall exist to a high degree, that there shall be literacy and a sense of unity within the country, that there shall be all the other conditions which are necessary if democracy is to work anywhere; fourth, that there shall be economic stability; and, lastly, that the country can stand on its own feet without the British protection she is now receiving in a world of three very large, very powerful, and potentially very jealous neighbours. We are allowing those countries to return to an Asiatic conception of government and we must all hope it will prove to be a success. There would be the restraining influence of the Governor-General, in close contact with the Government here. [Interruption.] Member, whether he votes with the Government tonight or not, wish Burma the very greatest happiness in the future. I share the apprehensions on this point just as much as my hon. Members opposite think that the people of this country will approve of our taking troops from Palestine and sending them into Burma to try to keep down the Burmese and to prevent them from gaining their independence, I think they are sadly mistaken. 1881 That is not the case. at the present moment is the responsibility which we must feel towards the people to whom we can give no adequate protection. I have tried to explain why it was that I feel as I do. Member for Woodford said that delay would be easy and that Dominion status could have been agreed upon, he also said that we could easily have used in Burma the troops whom we are wasting in Palestine. Burma is starting on her new career, and surely the right thing at this present moment is to wish her well and hope for her future prosperity? Why does Britain want to let us down like this? What they require now is friendship from Britain and the rest of the Dominions, whether or not they elect to remain within the Dominions. The demand for racial equality and independence grows every year. There have been instances in more than one place of armed troops and police trying without success, to put down armed revolt. Member for Woodford also indulged in a deplorable postmortem about U Aung San. In passing, I might mention to the Prime Minister one small matter, that of compensation. and gallant Member for Sudbury (Lieut.-Colonel Hamilton) made a perfectly moderate speech to which I listened with some admiration, If, from his knowledge of Burma and his distinguished service in that part of the world, he seriously believes that this Bill will result in better conditions for the ordinary man and woman in Burma, he is perfectly entitled to vote for it; but, being a fair-minded man, equally I am sure that he will agree with me that if I believe that it will not, I am perfectly entitled to move the rejection of the Bill. I have a long speech to make and I see no reason why I should give way. I have been thinking very hard, and listening very carefully, and with all respect to my hon. I do not think any other article calls for special notice. Friend the Member for Orpington (Sir W. Smithers) ask—. 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